| View Agenda for this meeting View Action Summary for this meeting REGULAR MEETING - ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS Proceedings had and testimony taken in the matters of the ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, at City of Novi, 45175 West Ten Mile Road, Novi, Michigan, Tuesday, November 1, 2005. BOARD MEMBERS ALSO PRESENT: REPORTED BY: 1 Novi, Michigan 2 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 3 At 7:30 4 - - - - - - 5 MEMBER FISCHER: All right. 6 I would like to call to order 7 the November, 2005 Zoning Board of Appeals 8 meeting for the City of Novi. 9 Ms. Backus, will you please 10 call the roll. 11 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 12 MEMBER BAUER: Present. 13 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 14 MEMBER CANUP: Here. 15 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Present. 17 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 18 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 19 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 20 MEMBER KRIEGER: Here. 21 MS. BACKUS: And Member Sanghvi? 22 MEMBER SANGHVI: Here. 23 MS. BACKUS: All present. 24 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay.
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1 There are some rules of 2 conduct listed on the agenda. I would like 3 to bring attention to them. Please do turn 4 off all cell phones and pagers. And 5 individuals will have five minutes to 6 address the Board; groups will have ten 7 minutes. 8 And also another rule, no 9 making fun of my orange tie tonight. It's 10 for Halloween. 11 The Zoning Board of Appeals is 12 a Hearing Board empowered by the Novi City 13 Charter, to hear appeals seeking variances 14 from the application of the Novi Zoning 15 Ordinance. It takes a vote of at least four 16 members to approve a variance request; and a 17 vote of the majority present to deny a 18 request. 19 We do have a full Board 20 tonight, so any decision made will be final. 21 Are there any charges to the 22 agenda? 23 Mr. Saven? 24 MR. SAVEN: Mr. Chair, I
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1 received a letter from -- regarding Case 05-044 2 four requesting an extension until January 31st 3 of 2006. And it is for reasons that there 4 architect is out of town. 5 We'd like to put it on other 6 matters for tonight, please. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. We can 8 put that -- we'll put that before the election of 9 the chair -- vice chair. 10 Are there any other changes to 11 the agenda? 12 Seeing none, I'll entertain a 13 Motion to approve? 14 MEMBER SANGHVI: So moved. 15 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Second. 16 MEMBER FISCHER: All in favor 17 say aye? 18 BOARD MEMBERS: Aye. 19 MEMBER FISCHER: Any opposed? 20 Seeing none, we have an agenda 21 for tonight's meeting. 22 We did receive in our packet 23 the Minutes from October, 2005. 24 Are there any changes to the
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1 Minutes? 2 Seeing none, I'll entertain a 3 Motion to approve those? 4 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Second -- so 5 moved. 6 MEMBER FISCHER: There's a 7 Motion and a second. 8 All in favor say aye? 9 BOARD MEMBERS: Aye. 10 MEMBER FISCHER: Any opposed? 11 Seeing none, the Minutes from 12 October are approved. 13 That takes us to the Public 14 Remarks section of our meeting tonight. And 15 this is the public remarks portion of the 16 meeting. All comments relating to case on 17 the agenda should be held until that case is 18 called. 19 However, if anyone wishes to 20 address the Board regarding a matter that is 21 not on tonight's agenda, please come 22 forward. 23 Is there anyone out there? 24 Seeing none, we will close the
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1 Public Remarks section of the meeting and 2 move to our first case. 3 4 5 Which is Case Number: 05-087 6 filed by Harmon Sign for several addresses 7 on Grand River. They are requesting two 8 sign variances to be installed at the 9 parcels of land on Grand River. 10 Is that applicant present 11 tonight? 12 Please come forward. 13 The applicant is requesting 14 permission to erect two ground signs 15 measuring six feet by five feet; with a 16 total of 30 square feet; and three feet by 17 six inches by three feet six inches; for a 18 total of seven feet. 19 If you guys could please raise 20 your hands and be sworn in by our secretary. 21 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Do you swear 22 or affirm that the information you're about to 23 give in the matter before you is the truth? 24 MR. O'SHAY: Yes.
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1 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Would you 2 please state your names and addresses for our 3 secretary -- or our recording secretary? 4 MR. O'SHAY: My name is Willie 5 O'Shay (unintelligible) 46410 Grand River. 6 MEMBER FISCHER: And you, sir. 7 MR. WILSON: Tom Wilson. I 8 own the insurance agency that -- I'm renting 9 the space from Mr. O'Shay -- leasing space 10 at 46410 Grand River Avenue. 11 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. 12 And please proceed with your 13 presentation. 14 MR. WILSON: Well, I leased 15 the space from Mr. O'Shay back in January of 16 '05, this year. And one of the reasons I 17 leased that space is because it was on a 18 busy thoroughfare, Grand River Avenue, I 19 could get some visibility. There was -- I 20 remember from -- couple, two, three, years 21 ago there was an Allstate Agency occupying 22 that space. They had sign up. 23 And so it's my intention to 24 lease that space and erect a sign, so that
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1 people can see where I'm at. And so here, 2 it's already November 1st, and I still don't 3 have a sign, because we've been trying to 4 work through some of the steps and 5 procedures. And -- 6 MEMBER FISCHER: Would you like 7 to add anything, sir? 8 MR. O'SHAY: I would like for 9 you to approve of that sign, because the 10 buildings -- there's two buildings there. 11 One of them is -- the two of them are 12 separate. (Unintelligible) 46410, that's 13 the insurance agency. So it would be nice 14 to have the sign. I want -- they're very 15 good tenants I have in there. I would like 16 be able to keep them, because it's -- you 17 know, yourself, if you have a vacant 18 buildings they sort of get run down a little 19 bit and stuff like that. 20 So I'd like to be able to have 21 those tenants (unintelligible) and maintain 22 a nice property, pretty good. 23 MEMBER FISCHER: Excellent. 24 Anything else?
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1 All set? 2 MR. WILSON: Well, I'd just 3 like to add that, I'm a competitive 4 business, and without a sign, I might as 5 well leave that space and go somewhere else, 6 because it's not going to do me any good to 7 lease a space where I couldn't put a sign 8 up. 9 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. All 10 right. Thank you for that. 11 In this case, there were 13 12 notices mailed; one approval, zero 13 objections. The approval is from Willie 14 O'Shay, 22511 Elnor(ph) Drive. 15 Does anyone in the audience 16 which to address the Board regarding this 17 case? 18 Seeing none, I'll ask the 19 Building Department if they have comments? 20 MR. SAVEN: No comments. 21 MR. AMOLSCH: The issue before 22 the Board here really is the existing ground 23 sign (unintelligible) New Hudson Welding. 24 This gentleman wants two ground signs. And
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1 my understanding from the sign company is 2 they're going to remove the New Hudson 3 Welding sign. There would be two ground 4 signs. 5 The Ordinance only allows one 6 per parcel of land. These are two separate 7 businesses, two buildings. 8 (unintelligible) three on one 9 parcel; (unintelligible) allowed one ground 10 sign. 11 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 12 Mr. Amolsch. 13 And at this time, I will open 14 it up for Board discussion. 15 Member Sanghvi? 16 MEMBER SANGHVI: Thank you, 17 Mr. Chairman. 18 I see they are two separate 19 buildings, two separate businesses. And I 20 personally have no problem supporting the 21 applicant's request. I have no difficulty 22 in supporting the applicant's request for 23 this variance. 24 Thank you.
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1 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 2 Member Sanghvi. 3 Any other Board Members? 4 Member Gronachan? 5 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Thank you, 6 Mr. Chairman Fischer. 7 I would just like to say that 8 under the circumstances; given the -- bear 9 with me while I explain this -- when you're 10 driving down Grand River, it is difficult to 11 see the buildings and identify them given 12 the speed and the width, as well. 13 Normally an insurance agency 14 is a destination location. However, there 15 is some drive-by business; an agency does 16 get a lot of walk in business primarily. 17 Well, not primarily, but if you -- depending 18 on what you do, you do work by appointments, 19 but there can be some walk in business. 20 Insurance agents generally 21 work evenings and Saturdays, so it's dark. 22 There's different factors that the 23 Petitioner could have added to his case, so 24 I'll help him along here; and therefore, I
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1 will be in support of this, given the layout 2 of Grand River and the specific width and 3 setbacks of this particular request. 4 Thank you. 5 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 6 Member Gronachan. 7 Seeing heads nodding, Member 8 Sanghvi? 9 MEMBER SANGHVI: Thank you, 10 Mr. Chairman. 11 In this situation I would like 12 to make a Motion that in Case Number 05-087, 13 we grant the request of the applicant for 14 business identification purposes. 15 MEMBER BAUER: Second the 16 Motion. 17 MEMBER FISCHER: There is a 18 Motion and second on the table. 19 Any further discussion? 20 MR. SCHULTZ: As a point of 21 reference, if I could ask that Member Gronachan's 22 comments may be adapted by the maker of the 23 Motion, in terms of the width of the roadway and 24 the speed and --
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1 MEMBER BAUER: Identification? 2 MR. SCHULTZ: -- business 3 identification, in terms of what, I guess? 4 MEMBER SANGHVI: Well, they're 5 two separate buildings here. Three different 6 addresses here. Three different lots here, three 7 different numbers here; these are all different 8 things, and they all stand for themselves on 9 their own merit; without even going into the 10 detail. 11 But if you so desire, I have 12 no problem doing that. 13 Thank you. 14 MR. SCHULTZ: That suffices as 15 far as I'm concerned. 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. We will 17 make that part of the record and part of the 18 Motion. 19 Mr. Amolsch? 20 MR. AMOLSCH: (Unintelligible) 21 New Hudson Welding sign to come down? 22 MEMBER BAUER: (Unintelligible) 23 taking the sign down. 24 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes, that is
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1 right. That welding sign also belongs to the 2 existing business, yes. 3 MEMBER FISCHER: There is an 4 amended Motion on the table. The seconder 5 concurs? 6 Okay. Any further discussion? 7 Seeing none, Ms. Backus, will 8 you please call the roll. 9 MS. BACKUS: Member Sanghvi? 10 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes. 11 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 12 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 13 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 14 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 15 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 17 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 18 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 19 MS. BACKUS: And Member Krieger? 20 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 21 MS. BACKUS: Motion passes six 22 to zero. 23 MEMBER FISCHER: Your variance 24 has been granted, good luck; and please see the
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1 Building Department. 2 MR. WILSON: Thank you very 3 much. 4 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 5 6 The next, we will call Case 7 Number 05-088 filed by NorthStar Signs for a 8 real estate sign located at 39525 Thirteen 9 Mile Road. The Petitioner's requesting two 10 sign variances to a erect a ground real 11 estate sign at said property. 12 Is the Petitioner here 13 tonight? 14 Please raise your hand and be 15 sworn in by our secretary. 16 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Do you swear 17 or affirm that the information that you're about 18 to give in the matter before you is the truth? 19 MR. Ash: I do. 20 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Thank you. 21 Please state your name and 22 your address for the recording secretary. 23 MR. ASH: Robbie Ash. My 24 address is 30835 John R., Madison Heights,
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1 Michigan. 2 MEMBER FISCHER: Go ahead and 3 proceed. 4 MR. ASH: My client is 5 requesting the additional square footage due 6 to the overall size of the development size 7 of the property. The two foot by three foot 8 sign just doesn't seem to be adequate to 9 represent this particular property. 10 I mean, that's the basis of 11 the hardship. And, you know, with the two 12 by three signs, they have very little 13 activity. And as soon as the larger signs 14 go up -- because they've made the request 15 before -- as soon as the larger signs go up, 16 they start getting some activity on those 17 properties. 18 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. Thank 19 you very much. 20 Is there anyone in the 21 audience that wishes to comment on this 22 case? 23 Seeing none, I will share with 24 the Board that there were 14 notices mailed;
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1 zero approvals, zero objections. 2 Does the Building Department 3 wish to comment? 4 MR. AMOLSCH: No comments. 5 MR. SAVEN: I just have one 6 question. 7 What's the width at the V? 8 You're saying that you were going to have a 9 V-shaped sign? 10 MR. ASH: Correct. 11 MR. SAVEN: What's the maximum 12 width at that full open position of the V? 13 MR. ASH: Unless I'm mistaken, 14 I believe it's 24 inches; is that correct? 15 MR. SAVEN: Just want to make 16 sure. 17 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you 18 Mr. Saven. 19 And I'll open it up for Board 20 discussion. 21 Member Canup? 22 MEMBER CANUP: Well, I have a 23 problem with a larger sign than what's granted by 24 the Ordinance as it's written. I do have a
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1 problem with a eight foot high sign. I would 2 think there should be some -- eight feet's quite 3 fall. What's this in here, nine, ten foot 4 ceiling? That's a big sign. 5 MEMBER FISCHER: Can you restate 6 what you said about the size? I couldn't hear 7 you. 8 MEMBER CANUP: Well, the height 9 of sign is eight feet from grade by six feet. I 10 think the height is quite overbearing or 11 overpowering, I would say. Something a little 12 more subtle in height and width, maybe. 13 MEMBER FISCHER: And the square 14 footage? 15 I just didn't hear what you 16 said the first time. 17 MEMBER CANUP: I didn't mention 18 square footage. I just mentioned the height. 19 And I think, again, the overall sign itself as 20 probably a little bit overbearing. It's just too 21 large. 22 MEMBER FISCHER: Anything else, 23 sir? 24 MEMBER CANUP: That's my
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1 opinion. 2 MEMBER FISCHER: Excellent. 3 And any other opinions from 4 Board Members? 5 Member's Bauer? 6 MEMBER BAUER: I go along with 7 my friend, here. It's too high, and the square 8 footage should be cut down. I think 24 would be 9 much closer to what would be visual, and that's 10 what you want. And I think bringing it down to 11 five feet is still standard. We'd still be able 12 to see it. 13 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 14 Member Bauer. 15 Other Board Members? 16 Member Sanghvi? 17 MEMBER SANGHVI: I agree with 18 the suggestion of Mr. Bauer; and I think the 19 total square footage should be 24 feet, and the 20 height should be five feet; and if that is 21 acceptable, I'm willing to make a Motion. 22 May I make a Motion, sir, then 23 in Case Number 05-088 that the Petitioner's 24 request for a variance be modified with the
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1 total square footage of the sign being 24 2 feet; and the total height being five feet. 3 And this sign should remain in the place for 4 the period of one year. 5 MEMBER BAUER: Second the 6 Motion. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: There is a 8 Motion and a second. 9 Any further discussion? 10 Mr. Schultz? 11 MR. SCHULTZ: Just since this is 12 somewhat of a denial of the original; just an 13 indication, as I heard from the discussion that 14 24 square feet is sufficient for identification. 15 MEMBER BAUER: Visibility, sir. 16 MEMBER SANGHVI: Visibility and 17 identification. 18 MR. SCHULTZ: No practical 19 difficulty for the height has been established. 20 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. 21 The Motioner and seconder 22 agree to those comments being added as part 23 of the Motion? 24 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes.
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1 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 2 MEMBER FISCHER: All right. 3 There's a Motion and a second. 4 Any further discussion? 5 Seeing none, Ms. Backus, 6 please call the roll. 7 MS. BACKUS: Member Sanghvi? 8 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes. 9 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 10 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 11 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 12 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 13 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 14 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 15 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 16 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 17 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 18 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 19 MS. BACKUS: Motion passes six 20 to zero. 21 MEMBER FISCHER: Your variance 22 has been requested with some alterations. 23 Please see the Building 24 Department; and we wish you luck over there.
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1 MR. ASH: Okay, thank you. 2 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 3 4 Next I'd like to call Case 5 Number 05-090, filed by Christopher Cagle 6 for Glenda's Market at 40575 Grand River 7 Avenue. The applicant is requesting storage 8 of landscaping material on the abutting 9 leased property in an OS-1 Zoning District. 10 And you are Mr. Cagle. 11 MR. CAGLE: I am. 12 MEMBER FISCHER: Can you please 13 raise your hand and be sworn in by our secretary. 14 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Do you swear 15 or affirm that the information you're about to 16 give in the matter before you is the truth? 17 MR. CAGLE: I do. 18 MEMBER FISCHER: Go ahead and 19 state your name and address. 20 MR. CAGLE: Oh, Chris Cagle, 21 1100 Pleasant -- South Pleasant Valley, 22 Milford, 48380. 23 I'm here representing Glenda's 24 Garden Center on a variance that was granted
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1 last year, for a continuous use regarding 2 outside storage of nursery stock on an 3 adjacent parcel that we've leased for 20 4 years. So just here to kind of follow up on 5 that from last year's meeting, and go 6 forward. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you very 8 much. 9 Is there anyone in the 10 audience that wishes to comment on this 11 case? 12 Seeing none, I'll ask -- in 13 this case, there were 25 notice mailed; one 14 approval and two objections. 15 Ms. Gronachan, would you 16 please read the correspondence? 17 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes, Chairman 18 Fischer. 19 The first one is from Wookeun 20 Lee. The first name is spelled, 21 W-o-o-k-e-u-n; address is 41033 Scarborough 22 Lane. I conditionally approve the variance 23 requested as we did last year, as long as 24 Chris Cagle -- the owner of Glenda's
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1 Market -- lives up to the attached agreement 2 we made with him last year. 3 We're kindly requesting that 4 the city of Novi have continued authority. 5 Next is an objection from 6 Steve Kujawa, K-u-j-a-w-a; at 41039 7 Scarborough Lane, Novi. I would support a 8 one year temporary variance only. Last year 9 at the ZBA meeting, one Board Member called 10 panoramic landscaping the biggest eyesore in 11 Novi. Very little has changed. 12 They presented a plan to the 13 ZBA Board, which intended -- which included, 14 I'm sorry, white vinyl fence along Grand 15 River. Instead, Chris Cagle put up a 16 split-rail fence. Along the back of the 17 property, Chris has not weeded the berm or 18 replaced dead trees, as stated in the 19 agreement he signed with the Willowbrook 20 Farm homeowners association. 21 The property was not cleaned 22 up until a few days before this meeting. 23 The last objection is from 24 Richard S. Hamlin of 40750 Grand River. It
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1 would seem that a better use could be made 2 of this above-mentioned property. For 3 several years our building has been 4 subjected to the dust stirred up by the 5 trucks delivering and picking up 6 landscaping. 7 People who work in our 8 building can not maintain clean vehicles. 9 Why not develop this property into a use 10 which would not generate dust. Dust is not 11 healthy nor environmentally friendly. This 12 issue has been previously addressed to no 13 avail. 14 And that concludes the letters 15 this evening. 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 17 Member Gronachan. 18 Does the Building Department 19 wish to comment on this case? 20 MR. SAVEN: There were two 21 issues that were brought up at last approval; and 22 I'd like to go over them with the Board, if I 23 may. 24 Item Number one, property is
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1 to be developed in compliance with the site 2 plan submitted on September 28th, 2004; and 3 number two compliance with all the 4 conditions of the July 21st, 2004 agreement 5 with the Willowbrook homeowner's 6 association. 7 These are part of the letters 8 that you received today to which that 9 agreement was complied with. 10 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you 11 Mr. Saven. 12 Mr. Amolsch, any comments? 13 MR. AMOLSCH: No comments, 14 sir. 15 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 16 I'll open it up for Board 17 discussion. 18 Member Canup? 19 MEMBER CANUP: Mr. Amolsch, has 20 there been any violations issued since the last 21 time, a year ago; and did they live up to the 22 agreements that they had committed to? 23 MR. AMOLSCH: There have been no 24 violations that I'm aware of since last year.
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1 MEMBER CANUP: No complaints? 2 MR. AMOLSCH: No complaints 3 that I'm aware of, sir. 4 The only item I'm not sure 5 about is the (unintelligible) drainage 6 problems, if that's still an issue or not. 7 I wasn't able to verify that. 8 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 9 Mr. Canup. 10 Member Gronachan? 11 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Mr. Cagle, 12 what about this split-rail fence? 13 MR. CAGLE: It's a white vinyl 14 fence. There's no split-rail fence. 15 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I'm sorry? 16 MR. CAGLE: That's a white 17 vinyl fence. It's vinyl. It's not 18 split-rail. Split-rail is wood and it's 19 either two or three core split-rail 20 (unintelligible) together. This is all 21 white vinyl fence. It will never be 22 painted. I bought it from South Lyon Fence 23 down in New Hudson. It's exactly what I 24 said I'd put up, so it's up.
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1 As far as the berm, any time 2 we've had a request from Willowbrook, we 3 have, you know, addressed the request. We 4 did work in the berm this spring. I just 5 got a request three days when the letters 6 went out as far as the weeds coming up and 7 the few dead trees in the berm, we've 8 replaced them. We did it. We've moved 9 close to 600 trees in the last 60 days from 10 this parcel; so, there's a lot more open 11 land; it's a lot cleaner. It's not as dense 12 as it was, and it'll never going to go back 13 to that. 14 I mean it's a lot more 15 cleaner. We don't get the deliveries that 16 we had three years ago. I have -- since two 17 years ago, purchased property west of here 18 to grow trees on and store excess trees. 19 I'm trying to comply with the city and the 20 neighborhood. 21 I mean, like we said, it was 22 120 acres of farm land when we moved here in 23 '81; and we're trying to comply with the 24 change in the City, the growth of the
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1 community and the neighbors. So we're 2 trying to keep, you know, a viable business 3 that's been in our family for over 20 years; 4 and also keep everybody that's around us -- 5 adjacent to us, also consider their 6 livelihood and their family situations at 7 the same time. 8 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I want to 9 make some comments for the record. 10 MR. CAGLE: Okay. 11 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Because I'm 12 not in support of this. And the reason why I'm 13 not, is because as a long time resident of this 14 community, I drive past your location no less -- 15 no less than five times a day, a day. And there 16 are times when I'm not happy with the appearance 17 of that lot. 18 What keeps burning in my mind, 19 is Member Canup making statements in the 20 previous meeting when we're are trying to 21 fit something in that no longer belongs 22 there. What also concerns me, I would like 23 on the record, and others in the future that 24 everybody keep a look at, is your statement
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1 of we are trying to comply. There's no 2 trying. There's no question of it. It is 3 you have to comply. 4 I have concerns that the 5 residents at Willowbrook have to call you to 6 tell you those trees are dead. If you truly 7 wanted to be in this location -- and I 8 apologize. I'm not trying to come down hard 9 on you -- but if you want to fit a round peg 10 in a square whole, it's going to be you, the 11 business person, to fill the holes in of the 12 square hole. 13 Do you follow me? 14 MR. CAGLE: I understand. 15 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I don't think 16 that the Petitioner -- that the residents should 17 have to call you and tell you that there's dead 18 trees on your berm. I don't think that the 19 residents should have to be concerned about weeds 20 growing at all. I don't think the residents 21 should have to make any comments. 22 You made an agreement. You 23 want to keep your business at that location, 24 I see the onus on you; not on Willowbrook.
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1 I will agree to support this this evening; 2 but next year -- I want it on the record -- 3 if there's so much as a smidgen on this 4 record, one violation; then I think it's 5 time for Glenda's Market to look for some 6 place else. 7 I don't feel that this 8 business fits into this location anymore. 9 The mud on Grand River did not stop. I 10 wasn't going to call Alan and complain, 11 because that's not what I do. I'm not the 12 Ordinance officer. If other people can live 13 with it, that's fine. But the appearance of 14 the business was not tip-top. And if it was 15 me doing what you did to -- in front of this 16 Board, the promises that you made, honestly, 17 I would have been on my knees with a 18 toothbrush cleaning up Grand River this 19 spring. That's the God's honest truth, if I 20 wanted to do business here in Novi. 21 So I apologize for my tone, 22 but I think you need to understand that this 23 isn't about this board and it isn't about 24 residents. It's about you. And if you want
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1 to keep this business in Novi, then I would 2 do whatever I could to make sure that I 3 apply and adhere to any all agreements with 4 the ZBA; with the City of Novi; and 5 especially with the residents at 6 Willowbrook. 7 Thank you. 8 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 9 Member Gronachan. 10 Any other comments? 11 Second round. 12 Go ahead, Member Canup. 13 MEMBER CANUP: You stated that 14 you had other properties that you were moving 15 your operation to, your tree operation; is that 16 correct? 17 MR. CAGLE: What I said is I 18 purchased some property in the Brighton 19 area, as far as growing trees and trying to, 20 you know, alleviate the -- having to have 21 trees come in from other nurseries and so 22 forth; so not having to mass of trees at the 23 site, yes. 24 MEMBER CANUP: You know, my
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1 opinion is, possibly that there could be a better 2 use for that site that you're on. And I wouldn't 3 have a problem with granting a variance for 4 another year; with the idea that you're trying to 5 phase that portion of it out and maybe get that 6 tree -- was it wholesale tree? 7 MR. CAGLE: No, just part of 8 Glenda's. We sell trees to the public. 9 MEMBER CANUP: Maybe try to get 10 that into an area that's more fitting. I'm also 11 sure that that property is -- there's going to be 12 a time when it's going to be too valuable to be 13 growing trees on. 14 MR. CAGLE: Well, it's not 15 mine, so, yeah, I don't know what -- 16 MEMBER CANUP: You lease that, 17 don't you? 18 MR. CAGLE: Yeah, from Mr. 19 Weiss. I don't know what his intents are. 20 MEMBER CANUP: Yeah. 21 Any way, I would support the 22 request with the idea that next year, I may 23 not be so supportive. 24 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you,
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1 Member Canup. 2 Member Bauer? 3 MEMBER BAUER: I'll support 4 this, if you'll go ahead and extend that fence 5 all the way across that lot to the west. 6 MR. CAGLE: To the west, 7 that's fine. 8 MEMBER BAUER: Is there any 9 problem? 10 MR. CAGLE: No. 11 MEMBER FISCHER: We have other 12 comments, Member Krieger? 13 MEMBER KRIEGER: I concur with 14 the previous speakers, and I'd also like to 15 include in that the considerations from -- 16 that the -- from the meeting from September 17 28th in 2004; and to keep in consideration 18 of the Willowbrook Subdivision. 19 Thank you. 20 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 21 Member Sanghvi? 22 MEMBER SANGHVI: Thank you, 23 Mr. Chairman. 24 I would also like to add my
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1 voice to what Member Gronachan just stated. 2 I think it's time to send a message that we 3 will not take this any longer. And that 4 being a business, I think we should give one 5 more year's notice, and that should be the 6 final notice. The understanding should be 7 very clear that we are not going to look at 8 this thing, unless they have fulfilled their 9 obligations, not only to the spirit; but to 10 the letter of that agreement they entered 11 into. 12 Thank you. 13 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 14 And I'll go ahead and make 15 some comments, as well. 16 Let me first say that, you 17 know, I applaud you for being here 20 years; 18 is that correct? 19 MR. CAGLE: That's correct. 20 MEMBER FISCHER: And trying to 21 work within the development and the growth that 22 this City has made; and that's a large part of my 23 deliberations in my own mind. You know, it is a 24 growing City; it's a changing city, and I think
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1 it's great that you're still here. And I'm not 2 willing to say that I'm going to try to push you 3 out or anything to that effect. 4 However, on the other hand 5 there are things that need to be taken care 6 of. I personally would like to see some 7 type of set maintenance schedule of the 8 berm, if that's a possibility. And also, 9 you had mentioned the PVC fencing. I like 10 the touch, but there have been times that I 11 drive by -- because I live right by there, 12 as well -- that's some of the rails have 13 fallen out. That can be easily taken care 14 of. The fence company should have a little 15 tool, and all it does is make a little hole 16 in it that snaps it into place. They will 17 not fall out ever. Then it's even better 18 for you, because it's maintenance free, 19 completely. 20 MR. CAGLE: Exactly. 21 MEMBER FISCHER: So I would 22 suggest that, as well; as well as the comments of 23 Member Bauer. But I applaud you for your 24 efforts. I think that, you know, there's a lot
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1 of things in this agreement that you made with 2 the homeowners that you have kept, and I think 3 that some of the Board Members have not 4 necessarily taken that into consideration. 5 I remember something about 6 changing a bin for mulch for a young child 7 that had allergies. 8 So once again, I applaud you. 9 I like the recommendations that the Board's 10 making; and one year would suffice. 11 Those are my comments. 12 I'll put it out to the Board 13 if someone would like to make a Motion. 14 Member Gronachan? 15 MEMBER GRONACHAN: In Case 16 05-090, filed by Chris Cagle for Glenda's Market, 17 we -- I move that we approve the request for the 18 for storage of landscaped materials on the 19 abutting leased property, which is OS-1 Zoning 20 district for one year; with the following 21 amendments or addendums to the Petitioner -- for 22 Petitioner to follow-up on: 23 1, that the fence be extended 24 to the west of the property; 2, that a
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1 maintenance program be developed and posted 2 and followed throughout the next year; 3, 3 that the Willowbrook homeowner's association 4 be notify of that maintenance program, so 5 that way if the homeowners have any input, 6 they can contact the Petitioner; and 4, that 7 the amount of trees on the property be 8 continued to be reduced over the next year. 9 And I believe that's it. And 10 that the -- I'm sorry; and 4, that the 11 Petitioner report back to the ZBA in 12 12 months, unless any violations are posted or 13 filed against this Petitioner; then the 14 Petitioner has to come back in front of the 15 ZBA immediately. 16 MEMBER BAUER: Second that, but 17 one change. 18 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. 19 MEMBER BAUER: One addition, I 20 should say. 21 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. 22 MEMBER BAUER: That he still 23 maintain what the agreement was with the 24 homeowner's association.
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1 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Thank you. I 2 knew there was something else. 3 MEMBER FISCHER: Does the Motion 4 maker approve that friendly amendment? 5 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 6 MEMBER FISCHER: And there's a 7 second? 8 Further discussion? 9 Mr. Saven? 10 MR. SAVEN: Mr. Chair, Members 11 of the Board, I do want to go to the previous 12 meeting that we had. There were two conditions 13 that were outlined in that particular approval. 14 I would respectfully request that those two 15 conditions be included in the Motion. 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Would you like 17 to read those (interposing) (unintelligible.) 18 MR. SAVEN: Those were pursuant 19 to the October 5th meeting one and two, it 20 basically said property is to be developed in 21 compliance with the site plan submitted on 22 September 28th, 2004 (unintelligible) site plan 23 approval. And compliance with all the conditions 24 of July 21st, 2004 agreement with the Willowbrook
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1 Farms Association, which Mr. Bauer indicated 2 earlier. 3 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I accept that 4 friendly amendment to my Motion, as spoken by 5 Mr. Saven. 6 MEMBER BAUER: Seconds. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: The seconder 8 agrees. 9 And I would like to also 10 include one last friendly amendment. 11 Like I said, I have concerns 12 with the PVC fence railing; that the 13 Petitioner does fix that problem so the 14 railings do not fall out, as suggested by 15 the Board. 16 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay, 17 accepted. 18 MEMBER FISCHER: Any further 19 discussion on this Motion? 20 Not even Mr. Schultz, all 21 right. 22 Ms. Backus, would you please 23 call the roll. 24 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan?
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1 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 2 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 3 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 4 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 5 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 6 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 7 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 8 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 9 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 10 MS. BACKUS: And Member Sanghvi? 11 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes. 12 MS. BACKUS: Motion passes six 13 to zero. 14 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 15 Your variance has been granted with a couple 16 conditions. We wish you the best of luck. 17 MR. CAGLE: Thank you. 18 MEMBER FISCHER: And please do 19 try to comply with those, and we do wish you the 20 best of luck. 21 MR. CAGLE: Thank you. 22 23 MEMBER FISCHER: I would like to 24 call Case Number 05-091, filed by Bright Star,
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1 Incorporated for Gus O'Connor's, located at 42875 2 Grand River. The Petitioner's requesting one 3 sign variance for a wall sign to be installed at 4 Gus O'Connor's at said address. 5 And can you please raise your 6 hand and be sworn in by our secretary. 7 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Do you swear 8 or affirm that the information that you're about 9 to give in the matter before you, is the truth? 10 MR. SMITH: Yes. 11 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Thank you. 12 MEMBER FISCHER: Please state 13 your name and address for the record and proceed. 14 MR. SMITH: My name is Mark 15 Smith, owner of Gus O'Connor's; and my 16 address is 3992 Main Center Road, Lake 17 Orion, Michigan, 48360. 18 We'd just like to -- all the 19 information has been submitted at prior 20 meetings. I'd just like to add that we love 21 being here in Novi. In order for us to 22 continue to do well and to grow in this 23 City, we do find that it is necessary for 24 us to have a wall sign; as many of the other
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1 business do in the area. 2 Our common complaint by the 3 community is, they don't even know we're 4 there; or they're looking for us. They 5 can't find us. So this will go a long way 6 into helping us to grow our business and to 7 maintain a successful business here in Novi. 8 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, sir. 9 Is there anyone in the 10 audience that wishes to comment on this 11 case? 12 Seeing none, we will share 13 with the Board that there were seven notices 14 mailed. There were zero approvals, zero 15 objections. 16 And open it up for the 17 Building Department to share comments. 18 MR. SAVEN: No comments. 19 MR. AMOLSCH: No comments, 20 sir. 21 MEMBER FISCHER: And we'll move 22 to Board discussion. 23 Member Bauer? 24 MEMBER BAUER: Your Pub is
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1 excellent. 2 MR. SMITH: Thank you. 3 MEMBER BAUER: And it is a final 4 place where people will go. They know you're 5 there. I think the sign's too big, and I think 6 it should be cut down some. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 8 Member Bauer. 9 Is there anything else? Any 10 other comments? 11 Any other Board Members? 12 Member Gronachan? 13 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I have a 14 question for Alan. I guess I've got to go back 15 to ZBA school. 16 When this building was 17 built -- and I asked this at the last 18 meeting. This is where I'm confused. Why 19 didn't they have a sign on the front of this 20 building to begin with? What is bothering 21 me here that I can't get this straight? 22 They (unintelligible) smaller 23 sign? 24 MR. AMOLSCH: They have a sign
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1 currently on the north elevation; the one on 2 the Main Street (unintelligible.) They do 3 have signs in the front right now. 4 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. But 5 what's up there right now is the mockup, correct? 6 MR. AMOLSCH: No, there's 7 another -- 8 MEMBER GRONACHAN: This is where 9 I'm confused (unintelligible) -- at first when 10 they said it's down here, right. 11 Honestly, I can't support 12 this, and the reason why is when I went down 13 Grand River several times, after I went and 14 looked at insurance for Tom Wilson, I can 15 see the Gus O'Connor over the door very 16 well. And I just -- I have a problem -- not 17 only with that overage, but this Gus 18 O'Connor actually sticks out better than 19 your signage over the top of the building. 20 So I don't know what -- I 21 don't know why people can find you. But 22 going down Grand River, that gold print over 23 the door sticks out, and it's very nice. I 24 like it. It's very, very becoming, so to
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1 speak. 2 MR. SMITH: That was our 3 intent initially, is to have -- and hopeful 4 to have in the tradition of the authentic 5 Irish pub. That's what we initially to go 6 with. But our business has suffered by not 7 having a large sign. We -- I have -- that 8 is one of my biggest complaints is people 9 cannot find us. 10 And especially in the summer 11 when the trees along Grand River are in 12 bloom, you cannot see that sign. I drive, 13 you know, that way every day. I come in 14 that way, and when the trees are in bloom, 15 you cannot see that sign. 16 MEMBER GRONACHAN: If that is -- 17 I keep forgetting about those trees. And that's 18 just kind of a self-created Novi hardship, but I 19 do had agree that it's -- what other size could 20 you live with? 21 MR. SMITH: Well, you know, in 22 my opinion we wanted to it keep it kind of, 23 you know, a classy -- if there's a way you 24 can do a sign like this classy. We tried to
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1 do it in a way that's not overbearing. We 2 don't want to have something that is a gaudy 3 eyesore. That is not our intent at all. I 4 mean, we want to be a part of this community 5 for a very, very long time. And that's why 6 we tried to come up with something that, A, 7 we could live with esthetically; and B, 8 would help our business grow. 9 And as you did state, Mr. 10 Bauer, it is a destination area. But, if we 11 have a party on a weekend, I can tell you we 12 will -- unless they've been to our location 13 before -- I would get no fewer than four or 14 five phone calls asking where we're at. 15 People have gone by and missed our location. 16 And, you know, we have to guide them. 17 It's been a lot easier since 18 we've had the mockup; and we've actually 19 been busier since we've had that sign up. I 20 think everyone knows that with the 21 construction this summer, things have been 22 very difficult. When we put that sign up, 23 our business increased almost 15 percent 24 within the first month of having that mockup
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1 up. That we had -- this is the second time 2 we've had to do it. 3 When it came back down, our 4 business went back down. I don't think 5 that's a coincidence. And I've got the 6 numbers to prove that. And I just think for 7 us to sustain this business long term in 8 this City, we need to have this sign. 9 Thank you. 10 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I guess I can 11 understand what Member Bauer is saying. This is 12 a big storefront. If I have a Petitioner 13 standing here saying he's got proof -- I'm all 14 about numbers -- I could support the size, given 15 the testimony that the Petitioner has given. 16 Thank you. 17 MEMBER FISCHER: Member Sanghvi? 18 MEMBER SANGHVI: Thank you, 19 Mr. Chairman. 20 Couple of comments. Number 21 one, the applicant was here last month and 22 we turned him down because he didn't have a 23 mockup that was the reason. 24 MEMBER GRONACHAN: He wasn't
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1 here last month. It was two months ago. 2 MEMBER SANGHVI: Well, two 3 months ago, okay. We've got a mockup. He has a 4 hardship of visibility of his business from Grand 5 River, itself. And to a certain degree, that's a 6 fact, because I can't see that sign, that little 7 sign on the corridor driving down Grand River; 8 unless you came closer, almost to the end of the 9 parking lot you will find it. 10 So they do need an identifying 11 sign. So the question is, whether this 12 particular sign, the mockup they have, is 13 too big or not. And that begs the question 14 of what kind of size of the sign do we have 15 up in the health food store. This is along 16 the same -- in the same general area; and 17 whether we can find a way of having some 18 degree of uniformity in the size of the 19 lettering; so that one doesn't look gaudier 20 or more overbearing than that. 21 So my question is, the 22 Building Department, do we have any idea of 23 what kind of sign we approved for the health 24 food store?
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1 MR. AMOLSCH: I can get that 2 information real quick, if you want it. 3 MEMBER SANGHVI: Because if we 4 have -- 5 MEMBER FISCHER: (Unintelligibl 6 e.) 7 Go ahead. 8 MEMBER SANGHVI: Because if we 9 have that information, we have what the guideline 10 to go by. And maybe then we'll have one way of 11 making a uniform size of sign in that complex, 12 and also providing them the visibility they need. 13 Thank you. 14 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 15 Just a point of order that I 16 would like to bring back to the Board's 17 attention is that the case before us is 18 concerning the applicant having and 19 additional sign. And Mr. Amolsch just 20 stepped out. 21 Maybe Mr. Saven can assist us. 22 If they did not have that 23 little sign on the corner, would they be 24 allowed to have that size of sign in front?
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1 MR. SAVEN: Going back to the 2 fact we have businesses on both corners, 3 they would be allowed two signs. But 4 because of the fact there's more than two 5 signs involved, any additional sign would be 6 a violation. 7 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Including the 8 size. 9 MR. SAVEN: Yes. 10 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Two months 11 ago when you guys said that this was not a 12 dimensional variance, I said I needed to see the 13 mockup, now the size is an issue. 14 MR. SAVEN: I'm sorry. I 15 stand corrected. 16 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. 17 18 MR. SAVEN: It's the additional 19 sign, because that's all covered. 20 MEMBER GRONACHAN: So he could 21 have this size, the 64.92. 22 MR. SAVEN: That I couldn't 23 tell you because I don't know the setbacks 24 from the road. (Unintelligible) setbacks.
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1 Do you remember what Vic's was like, the 2 (unintelligible) Vic's was a single tenant 3 operation. 4 And when Vic's decided to 5 split off, we had another case that came in 6 because (unintelligible) single building, 7 two owners, that type of sign you were 8 looking at? 9 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Mr. Saven, 10 through the Chair. Two months ago when I said I 11 don't want to hear this case without the sign, 12 without the mockup. Board Members said this is 13 not a dimensional issue. This is just the fact 14 that it's an additional sign. 15 MR. SAVEN: And I would agree 16 with that. 17 MEMBER GRONACHAN: So, he can 18 have the 64.2, due to the setbacks; and there was 19 an issue there about the setbacks and everything. 20 MEMBER BAUER: (Unintelligible) 21 sign in front. 22 MEMBER GRONACHAN: He's going to 23 take that down. 24 MEMBER FISCHER: Yeah, yeah.
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1 That other sign (unintelligible) that other sign 2 would definitely have to go. But my concern, 3 what I want to bring back to the Board's 4 attention, we're looking at how many signs; not 5 the size of the sign. And that's the important 6 part. 7 I would really like -- I don't 8 know if Mr. Schultz is prepared to talk, 9 too -- but I would like Mr. Amolsch's 10 opinion as to whether, you know, if it 11 wasn't a number of signs issue, I don't 12 think that the Petitioner would be here. So 13 I don't want to critique him on the size. 14 So we need it take (unintelligible) what 15 we're looking at. 16 Mr. Schultz? 17 MR. SCHULTZ: I think Alan just 18 went to get a picture to show what the other 19 signs are in the area. But, I mean by virtue of 20 the fact that he's not entitled to a second sign 21 at all, without the Board's approval, the Board 22 has the ability to weigh in on whatever it wants 23 the size to be. So, you can use the guide 24 (unintelligible) to just one sign, but you have
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1 full discretion on the size and things like that. 2 MEMBER FISCHER: Mr. Amolsch, 3 the question kind (unintelligible) right now is 4 the sign, is the little hanging sign on Main 5 Street that is causing the variance question. 6 MR. AMOLSCH: No. There's 7 two -- three. They have two wall signs and 8 one projection sign. They're allowed one 9 wall sign and one projection sign per 10 (unintelligible.) 11 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. 12 MR. AMOLSCH: They got a 13 variance for the second wall sign they have 14 now, and they're asking for another variance 15 for the second wall sign. They plan on 16 removing the sign that's there now. And I 17 think I told the Board before, the issue is 18 not a dimensional variance. It's the number 19 of signs. 20 MEMBER FISCHER: Correct. 21 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Well, because 22 what Mr. Schultz was saying, is because it is 23 coming to us, we could say something about the 24 size. It's not a violation, but it's still up to
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1 the Board -- the discretion of the Board to make 2 it smaller, if we want. 3 MEMBER FISCHER: Member Krieger? 4 MEMBER KRIEGER: (Unintelligibl 5 e) on Main Street (unintelligible) Gus O'Connor, 6 so the issue would be just one sign. 7 MEMBER BAUER: On that side. 8 MEMBER GRONACHAN: On Grand 9 River. 10 MR. AMOLSCH: (Unintelligible) 11 the other wall sign would be removed. 12 MEMBER FISCHER: The Petitioner 13 agreed to that, as well. 14 MR. AMOLSCH: I have 15 information for the Board on the other signs 16 (unintelligible.) 17 MEMBER KRIEGER: I would like to 18 know that also; the neighboring size of the 19 signs. 20 MR. AMOLSCH: Okay. There's 21 Lifestyles, which is on the same building 22 where Vic's Market used to be. That sign is 23 a little under 65 square feet in area. 24 Better Health Market, which the Board just
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1 approved a variance for in -- last November, 2 is 120 square feet of sign area. Motor City 3 Golf Warehouse is also under 64 square feet. 4 And just for comparison, Lunar 5 Entertainment, (unintelligible) on Main 6 Street is 38 square feet. 7 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you, 8 Mr. Amolsch, for that information. 9 MEMBER GRONACHAN: I would like 10 to make a mechanics, if there's no further 11 discussion. 12 MEMBER FISCHER: Okay. 13 Member Gronachan? 14 MEMBER GRONACHAN: In Case 15 Number 05-091, filed by Bright Star for Gus 16 O'Connor's Irish Pub, I move that we have approve 17 the request for the sign on Grand River, with the 18 condition that the Petitioner remove the current 19 Gus O'Connor gold sign over the door, based on 20 the testimony given here this evening by 21 Petitioner; and taht size is established with the 22 assistance of the Ordnance Department; that the 23 Petitioner has substantiated proof for 24 identification -- proper identification of the
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1 building to increase business. 2 MEMBER KRIEGER: Second. 3 MEMBER FISCHER: There's a 4 Motion and a second. 5 Any further discussion? 6 Seeing none, Ms. Backus, would 7 you please call the roll. 8 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 9 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 10 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 11 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 12 MS. BACKUS: Member Sanghvi? 13 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes. 14 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 15 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 16 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 17 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 18 MS. BACKUS: And Member Fischer? 19 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 20 MS. BACKUS: Motion passes six 21 to zero. 22 MEMBER FISCHER: Your variance 23 has been granted. Good luck. 24 Please see the Building
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1 Department. 2 MR. SMITH: Thank you very 3 much. 4 MEMBER FISCHER: Thank you. 5 6 That concludes the cases for 7 tonight. 8 So we'll move on to other 9 matters. 10 As Mr. Saven brought up, Case 11 Number: ZBA 05-044 is asking for an 12 extension for the approval be granted until 13 January 31st, 2006? 14 MR. SAVEN: That is correct. It 15 says 2005, but we know it's 20006. 16 MEMBER FISCHER: Right. 17 Any Board Member comments or 18 Motions? 19 MEMBER SANGHVI: So moved. 20 MEMBER BAUER: Second. 21 MEMBER FISCHER: There's a 22 Motion and a second. 23 Ms. Backus, will you please 24 call the roll.
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1 MS. BACKUS: Member Sanghvi? 2 MEMBER SANGHVI: Yes. 3 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 4 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 5 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 6 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 7 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 8 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 9 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 10 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 11 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 12 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 13 MS. BACKUS: Motion passes six 14 to zero. 15 MEMBER FISCHER: All right. And 16 next, given the retirement of other friend and 17 colleague, Frank Brennan, we are going to have to 18 fill his position as vice-chair on the Board 19 tonight. 20 Now, I'll entertain a Motion 21 for nomination? 22 Member Bauer? 23 MEMBER BAUER: I would certainly 24 like to see a doc be a vice president.
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1 MEMBER FISCHER: There's a 2 nomination. 3 MEMBER KRIEGER: Second. 4 MEMBER FISCHER: And a second. 5 I don't see any further 6 nominations, so Ms. Backus, would you please 7 call the roll. 8 MS. BACKUS: Member Bauer? 9 MEMBER BAUER: Yes. 10 MS. BACKUS: Member Krieger? 11 MEMBER KRIEGER: Yes. 12 MS. BACKUS: Member Canup? 13 MEMBER CANUP: Yes. 14 MS. BACKUS: Member Fischer? 15 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 16 MS. BACKUS: Member Gronachan? 17 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Yes. 18 MS. BACKUS: Member Sanghvi? 19 MEMBER SANGHVI: I will abstain, 20 thank you. 21 MEMBER FISCHER: The Motion does 22 pass. 23 Congratulations, Member 24 Sanghvi on your vice-chairmanship.
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1 Unfortunately, that means you have to start 2 sitting by me. So, we'll work around that, 3 though. 4 And lastly, we do have the ZBA 5 training next Wednesday from 6:00 to 8:00 at 6 the Novi City Offices. We appreciate the 7 help from the Building Department's attorney 8 on that. 9 MEMBER FISCHER: At this time 10 I'll -- 11 Miss Gronachan, you have a 12 question about the training? 13 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Mr. Schultz, 14 are you going to have an outline ahead of time of 15 what will be part of the training, that we could 16 take a like at (unintelligible) something we want 17 to add to it? 18 MR. SCHULTZ: If we can get one 19 out ahead of time. I'm assuming maybe Gail has 20 E-mail address for everybody (unintelligible) in 21 advance. 22 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Well, 23 E-mail's fine. And we could take a look at it 24 and if all of us feel we have a weak spot we can
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1 send it back and maybe work on that? 2 MR. SCHULTZ: Sure. 3 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Is there any 4 way we could do some mock cases in training? 5 MR. SCHULTZ: If you want to 6 talk at the beginning of the meeting what -- how 7 you want to proceed, we can. 8 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. 9 MR. SCHULTZ: I mean, I'd be 10 happy to do that, if that's what the Board would 11 like. 12 MEMBER FISCHER: Well, my 13 suggestion is go ahead and send an agenda. If 14 any Board Members have suggestions, they can 15 E-mail Mr. Schultz with any suggestions they may 16 have to further training. 17 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Okay. 18 MEMBER FISCHER: Is that cool 19 with everybody? 20 BOARD MEMBERS: Yes. 21 MEMBER GRONACHAN: Thank you, 22 everyone. 23 MEMBER FISCHER: Any other 24 questions regarding our training?
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1 Then let's entertain a Motion 2 to adjourn. 3 MEMBER SANGHVI: So moved. 4 MEMBER BAUER: So moved. 5 MEMBER FISCHER: All in favor 6 say aye? 7 BOARD MEMBERS: Aye. 8 MEMBER FISCHER: Aye. 9 This Board stands adjourned. 10 (The deposition was adjourned 11 at 8:30 p.m.) 12 - - - - - - - 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
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1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Machelle Billingslea-Moore, 4 do hereby certify that I have recorded 5 stenographically the proceedings had and testimony 6 taken in the above-entitled matter at the time and 7 place hereinbefore set forth, and I do further certify 8 that the foregoing transcript, consisting of (62) 9 typewritten pages, is a true and correct transcript 10 of my said stenograph notes. 11 12 13 ___________________________ Machelle Billingslea-Moore, 14 Certified Shorthand Reporter 15 16 November 19, 2005. (Date)
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