REGULAR MEETING - ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
Proceedings had and Testimony taken in the matter of the ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, at City of Novi, 45175 West Ten Mile Road, Novi, Michigan, on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
1 Novi, Michigan.
2 Tuesday, 6march 6, 2012
3 7:00 p.m.
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5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Good evening
6 everyone. Welcome to the March 6th, Zoning
7 Board of Appeals meeting for the City of
8 Novi. If we can all rise and say the Pledge
9 of Allegiance. Member Krieger start us off.
10 (Whereupon the Pledge of Allegiance was
12 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you. If
13 we can now have roll call, please,
14 Ms. Pawlowski.
15 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon,
17 Member Gerblick?
18 MR. GERBLICK: Here.
19 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ghannam?
20 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Here.
21 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ibe?
22 MR. IBE: Present.
23 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger?
24 MS. KRIEGER: Present.
25 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi?
1 MR. SANGHVI: Present.
2 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy?
3 MS. SKELCY: Here.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you. I
5 will go over some of the public hearing
6 format and rules, although we have them in
7 the back for you to look at.
8 Please everybody turn off your
9 cellphones and pagers so we are not
10 distracted during the meeting. Also when
11 your case is called, will the applicant
12 please come forward. You will be given five
13 minutes to present your case and extensions
14 are at the discretion of the chair.
15 Public will also be asked if they
16 wish to make comments on a particular case.
17 Next is our approval of the agenda.
18 Are there any corrections or modifications to
19 the agenda?
20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: No.
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Nothing from
22 anybody the City? Anybody else?
23 If not, I will entertain a motion
24 to approve the agenda.
25 MR. SANGHVI: So moved.
1 MS. SKELCY: Second.
2 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
3 and second, all in favor say aye.
4 THE BOARD: Aye.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any opposed?
6 Seeing none, our agenda is
8 And we will move to the public
9 remarks sections. This will be an
10 opportunity for anybody in the public who
11 would like to make a comment, not on a
12 particular case that's before the Board
14 Is there anybody who would like to
15 make any comments?
16 Seeing none, I will close the
17 public remarks section and move to our first
19 Item Number 1, Case Number 12-001
20 for 50630 Amesburg Drive. Please come
21 forward, sir.
22 I know you were here last time, but
23 if you can raise your right hand and be sworn
24 by our secretary.
25 MS. SKELCY: Do you swear or affirm
1 to tell the truth?
2 MR. MINOCK: I do.
3 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: State you name
4 and address for the record, please, before
5 you proceed.
6 MR. MINOCK: My name is
7 Jason Minock. My address is 50757 Culvert
8 Isle Drive, Novi.
9 I was here a couple weeks ago, and
10 for those couple members I don't believe were
11 here, but it's a similar/disimilar issue. I
12 was asked to go back and talk to the
13 homeowners association as well as the
14 adjacent neighbor.
15 I have stopped multiple times at
16 that neighbor's house and actually last week
17 I left a whole packet, I printed off some
18 condos packet, left my card, unfortunately, I
19 don't know that person. I did leave the card
20 and asked them to call me, but I have never
21 heard back from them.
22 So I don't know if -- they have not
23 responded, you know, I have stopped there
24 several times.
25 The homeowners association, there
1 is three members of the board, I am one of
2 them, so I'm taking me out of the equation.
3 The two other members said they had no
4 problems with it. They did just send a
5 quicky note that it was fine with them, which
6 was two of the bigger issues that I think a
7 couple people on the Board had last time.
8 I can go into all the facts of the
9 case, I don't know if we want to rehash all
10 of that. Those are the issues that I took
11 from the last meeting to forth. That's all.
12 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you, sir.
13 Is there anybody in the public who would like
14 to make a comment on this particular case,
15 please raise your hand.
16 Seeing none, I will close the
17 public remarks section and ask our secretary
18 to read any correspondence that wasn't done
19 last meeting.
20 MS. SKELCY: There is no new
21 correspondence since.
22 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Next I will turn
23 to the City for any comments?
24 MS. SAARELA: I just had a comment
25 regarding the information about the
2 I understand you're looking at
3 different factors when you're considering
4 approving or denying a variance. One of them
5 is impact on the surrounding properties.
6 This issue of the association and approving
7 it may seem relevant to that, however, who
8 you are really considering, are those people
9 getting notice that are required to get
10 notice under the zoning ordinance and zoning
11 enabling act, whether they want to come in
12 and give their input on the adverse impact.
13 You know, you they can listen and consider if
14 the association comes in and objects,
15 however, as far as conditioning and approval
16 on whether the association approves or
17 disapproves, that something can't be -- that
18 can't be the deciding factor.
19 So I just wanted to give you those
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Appreciate that.
22 Anything else from the City?
23 If not, I would open it up to the
24 Board for any discussion. Anybody have any
25 questions, comments?
1 MR. SANGHVI: I just had a question
2 for the counselor.
3 MS. SAARELA: Yes.
4 MR. SANGHVI: You want to enlighten
5 me about IUD?
6 MS. SAARELA: There is an IUD
7 agreement that controls the development of
8 Island Lake, that was something that was
9 developed back probably in the late '90s,
10 early 2000s. It basically -- it discusses
11 the layout of the subdivision, and, you know,
12 what can be included, what the zoning is in
13 the subdivision and requirements, certain
14 requirements like that.
15 It's my understanding it does not
16 have certain requirements for particular
17 facades and where they need to be located.
18 MR. SANGHVI: (Inaudible) what we
19 are discussing?
20 MS. SAARELA: Not anything that I
21 am aware or that has ever been discussed
22 prior to this, no. It just basically lays
23 out the numbers of lots permitted and divides
24 it up into what types of subdivisions are in
25 there (inaudible).
1 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you. I don't
2 have any further comments. Thank you,
3 Mr. Chair.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I appreciate it,
5 sir. In my own personal opinion, I do
6 appreciate that you went to the next-door
7 neighbor. To me that was important because
8 it's right next-door, it's the same
9 elevation, although I know the house is
10 situated or will be situated differently. So
11 I do appreciate that. And given the fact you
12 had no response, I assume if there was a
13 response, it would have been either positive
14 or negative. We don't have that, so given
15 that, I have no problem with it.
16 If there are differences, they are
17 situated somewhat differently, so I have no
18 problems supporting your request.
19 Anybody else have any comments or
20 questions or issues? If none, I will
21 entertain a motion.
22 Member Gerblick?
23 MR. GERBLICK: In the case of
24 12-001, 50630 Amesberg Drive, I move that we
25 grant the motion as is, and for the reasons
1 that there are unique circumstances to the
2 physical conditions of the property. There
3 is a curvature in the road, which kind of
4 separates these two houses. The need is not
5 really self-created. The requested variance
6 is the minimum variance as you stated
7 previously. There was some small changes
8 that were made, nothing that, I guess, is
9 considered a major change, but there was some
10 small structural changes that make it
11 somewhat different, and that the roads --
12 they face on two different streets, the way
13 they're situated.
14 I move that we grant the variance
15 as is.
16 MS. SKELCY: Second.
17 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
18 and a second, any further discussion?
19 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, can you
20 please call the roll.
21 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gerblick?
22 MR. GERBLICK: Yes.
23 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ghannam?
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Yes.
25 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ibe?
1 MR. IBE: Yes.
2 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger?
3 MS. KRIEGER: Yes.
4 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi?
5 MR. SANGHVI: Yes.
6 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy?
7 MS. SKELCY: Yes.
8 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes six
9 to zero.
10 MR. MINOCK: Thank you.
11 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Next on the
12 agenda is Item Number 2, Case Number 12-005,
13 TJ Maxx, 43175 Crescent Boulevard. Please
14 step forward, sir.
15 Please state your name and address.
16 MR. DETERS: I am Kevin Deters of
17 Metro Detroit Signs. The address is 23544
18 Hoover Road, Warren, Michigan 48089.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Raise your right
20 hand and be sworn by our secretary.
21 MS. SKELCY: Do you swear or affirm
22 to tell the truth?
23 MR. DETERS: Yes.
24 MS. SKELCY: Thank you.
25 MR. DETERS: As you're aware, we
1 are applying for a variance for a larger sign
2 than what's allowed.
3 First of all, I'd like to
4 apologize, if any of you came out over the
5 weekend to see our mock sign, we had it up
6 and the wind storm on Friday blew it down, so
7 we had to go back yesterday morning and
8 reinstall it.
9 And the reason we didn't hang the
10 banner above the store front, where the
11 current sign is, is it would really look
12 hokey and tacky having a banner on top of
13 their existing sign, plus it is illuminated,
14 could have been a fire hazard, so we just put
15 the size of our preferred sign, you know,
16 onto the right of that store front, which I'm
17 sure you all figured out.
18 At any rate, TJ Maxx would like to
19 have this sign for a few reasons. The
20 existing sign that they have is -- it looks
21 disproportionately small on their large store
22 front, and it just doesn't look, in my
23 opinion, esthetically correct in that large
24 shopping center.
25 Also, the new sign has white
1 perforated vinyl, which the existing sign
2 does not have, so that it's -- the new sign
3 would be red during the day and light up
4 white at night.
5 I realize that there is a nearby
6 Marshalls and Kohls on the other side of
7 Novi Road, that I don't know exactly what
8 size those signs are, but they appear to be
9 larger than 65 square feet.
10 And I realize that it's a different
11 site, different shopping center, but in my
12 opinion, it's a similar request because
13 they're all department stores.
14 And so I figure if Kohls and
15 Marshalls could have larger signs than that,
16 why not TJ Maxx.
17 So you all know why I'm here, I'll
18 just take any questions if you have them.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you, sir.
20 Are you finished?
21 MR. DETERS: Yes.
22 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Is there anybody
23 in the public who has a comment on this
24 particular case, please raise your hand.
25 Seeing none, I will close the
1 public remarks section and ask our secretary
2 to read any correspondence.
3 MS. SKELCY: There were 165 notices
4 mailed 45 returns and no responses.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any questions or
6 issues or comments by the City?
7 MS. SAARELA: No.
8 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I will open it
9 up to the Board for discussion. Member
11 MS. SKELCY: On this photograph,
12 that you have provide to us, is the red area
13 part of the sign itself the (inaudible).
14 MR. DETERS: No. The size of the
15 white TJ Maxx letters on the banner are the
16 size of what the sign letters would be. It's
17 just we had to give the banner some type of
19 MS. SKELCY: Thank you.
20 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anybody else?
21 Member Skelcy?
22 MS. SKELCY: Is it possible to make
23 the sign smaller? I mean, I think the scale
24 is pretty, pretty large. I'm not that
25 thrilled personally as a member of the Board
1 with how large these letters are. Even
2 though it doesn't include the red, I still
3 think it's quite, quite large. What about
4 reducing it?
5 MR. DETERS: Well, that would
6 certainly be an option. This was the sign
7 that was brought to my company by TJ Maxx.
8 They said, try to get this sign.
9 If the Board would be willing, I'm
10 sure -- so the sign we're proposing is 161
11 and a half square feet.
12 So if the Board would be willing to
13 say, you know, we wouldn't support a sign
14 this large, but how about 90 square feet, or
15 some smaller amount, I'm sure TJ Maxx would
16 be open to that.
17 Unfortunately, there isn't -- I
18 don't believe there is a representative from
19 TJ Maxx here. But I'm sure that they would
20 be -- they would be happy to do that, happy
21 to have a variance, but a smaller variance.
22 I'm sure they would be okay with that.
23 MS. SKELCY: Then the current sign,
24 what square footage is that?
25 MR. DETERS: You know, ma'am, I
1 don't know. We didn't put that sign up. We
2 put up the temporary sign, when that -- it
3 was under construction about a year ago, we
4 put up that sort of banner. It wasn't really
5 a banner, but you know what I'm talking
6 about. We put that one up. We did not put
7 this one up, so I don't know.
8 If I would guess, I would say that
9 sign is about 50 square feet. I would guess
10 it's about maybe three foot letters by maybe
11 15, but that's a naked eye guess.
12 MS. SKELCY: Thank you.
13 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Actually, while
14 we are on that issue isn't -- according to
15 our brief, it is 46 and a half square feet,
16 is that correct?
17 MR. GERECKE: Correct.
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: It appears that
19 was allowed in '87, when the ordinance was
20 much smaller, I presume. Does that make
21 sense? It was a variance at that time. When
22 they were permitted a 24 square foot sign, am
23 I reading that accurately?
24 MR. GERECKE: That's correct.
25 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: So now, just so
1 I'm clear they're entitled to a 65 square
2 foot sign, is that correct?
3 MS. SAARELA: Up to, yes. And
4 based on their frontage that's -- you know,
5 their frontage is -- if it was just based on
6 frontage, they would be able to go bigger
7 than that, but there is a cutoff at 65 feet
9 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Right, up to a
10 maximum of 65, okay. So the question
11 becomes, sir, one of reasonableness.
12 I mean, certainly when you come to
13 the board for an exception to the rule with a
14 variance, your job is to minimize your
15 request. I understand based upon what you
16 there, you have a 46 and a half, which is
17 almost exactly what you're estimating, which
18 was an exception at the time, but really
19 would be entitled to right now up to 65 feet
20 square feet.
21 The question becomes one of
22 reasonableness, I guess Ms. Skelcy's
24 I have no problem with approving a
25 larger sign with 65 feet, but your variance
1 request is for almost 162 square feet, which
2 is massive.
3 MR. DETERS: I understand.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I guess my
5 question to you would be, what's the minimum
6 amount you think you would need to do the job
7 for this particular store?
8 MR. DETERS: Okay, I suppose that's
9 in some ways up to the Board.
10 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: It obviously is,
11 but my question is from your perspective.
12 What would be reasonable under the
13 circumstances? To me 162 square feet is, you
14 know, it's gigantic.
15 MR. DETERS: Could we say -- could
16 we say about 85 or 90, or is that still out
17 of your ballpark?
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: It's not my
19 ballpark. It's up to the Board. It's not
20 only my vote.
21 I'm just asking from your
22 perspective, if you think TJ Maxx would be --
23 with their signage, somewhere between 85 to
24 90 square feet would be sufficient?
25 MR. DETERS: Yes.
1 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: You're not
2 suggesting that somehow a 162 square foot
3 sign complies with their current franchise or
4 current requirements, so on?
5 MR. DETERS: No, not necessarily.
6 Every one of these national chains has a
7 standard set of signs that they have, you
8 know, so TJ Maxx might have a standard 160
9 square foot sign, 120, 100, 85, on down the
10 line, just depending how large their store
11 front is, they try to get the largest one
12 they can.
13 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: To me it's a
14 request, you know -- if you're allowed by
15 rule up to 65 square feet and you're
16 requesting -- for a store which is big, I
17 have to admit, this is a large store, there
18 is only so many big box retailers, to request
19 in the range of 85 to 90 is not unreasonable
20 to me. I would have no problems supporting
21 that. But 162 feet square feet is to me
22 unreasonable. So those are my comments.
23 Anybody else?
24 MR. GEDEON: First off, I want to
25 apologize for being late today. But on this
1 matter, I think that it's important to our --
2 we are another case coming up next-door, the
3 Wal-mart, and it's going to be pretty hard to
4 break whatever precedent we set in this case
5 for that case. I think we should be mindful
6 of that.
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Sanghvi?
8 MR. SANGHVI: My question was for
9 proportional lettering for this, would
10 85 feet --
11 MR. DETERS: As far as I'm
12 concerned, I think that would work, yes.
13 MR. SANGHVI: Good, thank you.
14 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: By the way, just
15 so everybody is clear, the request is to take
16 the existing sign down and replace it with
17 the sign?
18 MR. DETERS: Yes, right, that's
20 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Just so we
21 understand there is not going to be two
22 signs, right?
23 MR. DETERS: Correct.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anybody else
25 have any questions or comments?
1 Anybody like to make a motion?
2 MR. SANGHVI: I'm suggesting
3 85 feet.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I personally
5 have no problem with 85, if you want to go as
6 high as 90.
7 MR. SANGHVI: Speaking about the
8 lettering portion, that's why I asked him.
9 MR. DETERS: I am okay with 90 as
11 MR. IBE: What is the square foot
12 area of the store front again?
13 MR. DETERS: Let me see.
14 MR. SANGHVI: 168 feet. It's here,
15 if you look --
16 MR. DETERS: The store front is 160
17 feet wide, and it looks like it's
18 approximately, I would say 35 or 40 feet
19 high. I don't have the exact height.
20 MR. IBE: I would have no problem
21 with supporting 85 or 90.
22 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anybody like to
23 make a motion? Member Krieger?
24 MS. KRIEGER: In Case Number
25 12-005, TJ Maxx at 43175 Crescent Boulevard,
1 I move to deny the request for 162 square
2 feet, but from the discussion 85 -- move to
3 approve 85 square foot sign for a single sign
4 on the wall as described with the white
5 lettering above the door, and the request is
6 based upon circumstances that are exceptional
7 and unique to the property, with all the
8 buildings around Novi Road to visualize
9 the -- into the back area, and that the
10 failure to grant relief will prevent and
11 limit the use of the property. And the grant
12 of the relief will not result in use,
13 structure that is incompatible with or
14 unreasonably interferes with adjacent or
15 surrounding properties and will do
16 substantial justice for the applicant and the
17 surrounding properties.
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I had a feeling
19 you may be upset about that. She said a
20 double motion.
21 MS. SAARELA: I would rather have
22 it worded as grant a lesser variance, rather
23 than deny and grant in the same variance.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: When you
25 suggested to deny the request, but grant
1 something different, she is suggesting why
2 don't we move to grant.
3 MS. SAARELA: Grant a lesser
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Correct.
6 MS. KRIEGER: I move to approve an
7 85 square foot sign with all the previous
9 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I have no
10 problem. Is that okay?
11 MS. SAARELA: Yeah.
12 MR. SANGHVI: Second.
13 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Just in terms of
14 further discussion, I would just like to add
15 that the applicant will remove the existing
16 sign and replace it with the sign that is
18 MR. DETERS: Yes.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: With that in
20 mind, is that okay with the motioner?
21 MS. KRIEGER: Yes.
22 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any further
23 discussion on that?
24 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, can you
25 please call the roll.
1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon?
2 MR. GEDEON: Yes.
3 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gerblick?
4 MR. GERBLICK: Yes.
5 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ghannam?
6 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Yes.
7 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ibe?
8 MR. IBE: Yes.
9 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger?
10 MS. KRIEGER: Yes.
11 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi?
12 MR. SANGHVI: Yes.
13 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy?
14 MS. SKELCY: Yes.
15 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes seven
16 to zero.
17 MR. DETERS: Thank you.
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Congratulations,
20 Next on the agenda is Item Number
21 Three, Case Number 12-006, for 2105 West Lake
22 Drive. Is the applicant here? Please come
23 forward, sir, and ma'am.
24 Are both of you going to be
25 speaking tonight? Can you please right your
1 hand and be sworn.
2 MS. SKELCY: Do you swear or affirm
3 to tell the truth?
4 MR. BYRD: I do.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Please state
6 your name and address.
7 MR. BYRD: Kevin Byrd. We live at
8 926 East Sunnybrook Drive. This is my wife.
9 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Please proceed.
10 MR. BYRD: We have been shopping in
11 the area for about two years and found the
12 home owned by Karina Steiner. We put a bid
13 on the house. We are currently in contract
14 to purchase the house from them at the end of
15 this month.
16 For several weeks we have been
17 through finances, all the -- so we have been
18 through all the process other than -- we'd
19 like to add onto the house, make it a little
20 bit more family friendly, get a little bit
21 more space.
22 We love the home. It's very
23 limited as far as any additional room. There
24 is no basement, there is a very small crawl
25 space. It's a really nice layout, really
1 thoughtfully done. There is no extra living
2 room. There is no dining room. It's just
3 the three bedrooms, the small ones, ten by
4 ten, so it's very small as well.
5 The garage is actually smaller than
6 the layout. I just got the dimensions, it's
7 19 feet, typical garage is about 21, 24 feet
8 deep. This one has the furnace room and
9 water heater in it, so it makes it even
11 I have got some photographs. The
12 doors to access that open into the car area,
13 so even lining the back wall with any sort of
14 shelving, whatever gets very difficult.
15 Anyway, there is no lot space for a
16 shed. We are on the water, we are very
17 outdoorsy people, so anything from a kayak to
18 paddles and life jackets. We'd just like to
19 find some more space for some of those items.
20 So I think what we would like to do
21 is prefer to have indoor storage, versus the
22 clutter in the yards. Some of the
23 neighborhood is transitional (inaudible) yard
24 by yard, isn't necessarily the case. We'd
25 like to keep everything indoors. There is an
1 easement on the side of the lot, so there is
2 a lot of activity for people to access the
3 water. Some of the things are left outside,
4 there is just more opportunity, safety issues
5 or for theft. So, again, we'd like kind of
6 keep everything indoors.
7 Once we have kind of grown the
8 garage forward, then we can grow one of the
9 bedrooms above it, the two bedrooms are
10 side-by-side above the garage, in the
11 photographs that you have. So the ten by ten
12 room, we'd like to grow little bit larger, at
13 least have a small area, maybe a kid
14 playroom, still have room for a guest bedroom
15 for the in-laws, have a kid room on the other
17 Like I said, we'd just like to add
18 about 18 feet to the garage, that would still
19 maintain the 31 and a half feet to the
20 street. So all the current offsets from the
21 previous approvals will be maintained, the
22 only thing we would do is increase the lot
23 coverage percent. We looked through a lot of
24 the other previous approvals, and 36 to 38
25 and a half percent seem to be somewhat
1 common. And based on Mr. Webber's
2 calculations, which I hope are correct, is
3 somewhere around 37 percent.
4 We'd kind of like to fall in that
5 range and move forward for approval.
6 At the same time, we'd would like
7 to improve the front sort of the curb appeal
8 of the house, kind of looks like a big, flat
9 barn. We have talked to the two neighbors on
10 the south side, there is the easement, the
11 neighbor on the north, they have actually
12 been extremely supportive and recommended to
13 go as big as possible because they know how
14 tight everything is, everything is very
16 And we talked to the two neighbors
17 across the street as well. Everybody was
18 very supportive, and if they needed to come
19 or provide any sort of feedback, they would
20 be happy to do so.
21 I guess with that, I'd ask for any
23 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you, sir.
24 Is there anybody in the public who would like
25 to make a comment on this particular case?
1 Ma'am, come forward, please, and
2 state your name, please.
3 MR. STEINER: My name is Karina
4 Steiner, I'm the owner.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Raise your right
6 hand and be sworn.
7 MS. SKELCY: Do you swear or affirm
8 to tell the truth?
9 MR. STEINER: Yes.
10 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Go ahead.
11 MR. STEINER: As I said, I live in
12 the house currently, and there are couple of
13 things over -- missed when I lived there, I
14 enjoyed living, one was not having a
15 basement. So I totally can see why these two
16 want more storage for a boats, for a kayak,
17 all these things that you like, everything
18 will be neat and clean from the outside.
19 And also I would have liked a
20 little bit more living space, (inaudible)
21 have more extra for things that I missed, and
22 yeah. And on top of it, I think it's just
23 personal, but I think the house looks better.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Thank you,
25 ma'am, appreciate it.
1 Is there anybody else in the public
2 who would like to make a comment about this
3 particular case?
4 Seeing none, I will close the
5 public remarks section and ask our secretary
6 to read any correspondence.
7 MS. SKELCY: There were 36 notices
8 mailed, six returned, two approvals. One
9 comes from Karina and Andrea Steiner, I
10 believe that's the person who just spoke.
11 And the other one is from Nick and
12 Laurie Malles, M-a-l-l-e-s, at 2111 West Lake
13 Drive, and they have no comment. They simply
14 circled approval.
15 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any comments or
16 issues with the city?
17 MS. SAARELA: No.
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing none, I
19 will open it up to the Board for discussion.
20 Member Sanghvi?
21 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
22 I came and saw your property on Saturday.
23 It's a pretty good looking house, even now
24 without any further addition.
25 I think it will enhance further the
1 improvement you are suggesting, and I have no
2 difficulty in supporting your request. Thank
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Also, I too,
5 took a look all the paperwork and documents
6 that you submitted on the home. I will be
7 honest with you, whoever did this is
8 paperwork and the proposed remedies did a
9 very good job, it gives us an idea because
10 you can't build a house temporarily until
11 it's approved. They did a very, very nice
12 job, showing us what it may look like or what
13 it would look like with their proposals.
14 Under the circumstances, we have
15 had a lot of lakefront homes come before us,
16 even when these were built years ago, when
17 codes were different, you're now trying to
18 work with what you want on this particular
19 lot, we can understand that. I'm very
20 cognizant of that, and I have no problem with
21 your request, so I would be in support of it.
22 I think it does -- you have tried
23 to minimize the request under the
24 circumstances, so that's a very nice job.
25 Anybody else have any comments?
1 Member Gedeon?
2 MR. GEDEON: I went by yesterday.
3 These lakefront homes additions are usually
4 very contentious, oftentimes many
5 disapprovals, and the fact that none of your
6 neighbors have a problem with it, I think
7 (inaudible) the reasonableness of your
9 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Skelcy?
10 MS. SKELCY: I think the design
11 enhances the look of the home as well as it's
12 pretty -- it looks pretty kind of conforming
13 to what you already have, so it's not a
14 significant -- it doesn't really jump out at
15 you in a negative way. So I would be in
16 favor or this variance as well.
17 MR. BYRD: We only had about two
18 days from seeing the house to coming by it
19 and seeing there was a meeting. In the two
20 days of thoughts, we have had a lot more
21 ideas and it will look better and better as
22 we kind of get an architect in and have some
23 stone work and other things.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I appreciate the
25 fact that you have come before you buy the
1 house and ask for all the variances you're
2 requesting so you're not stuck with a house
3 you may not be able to modify.
4 Any other comments or discussion?
5 If not, I will entertain a motion in this
6 case. Member Skelcy?
7 MS. SKELCY: I move in the Case of
8 12-006 at 2105 West Lake Drive, that we grant
9 the north side yard setback variance of 8.62
10 feet, that we grant the south side yard
11 setback of 10.68 feet, and that we grant the
12 proposed lot coverage variance of 70 percent.
13 The reason that we should do this
14 is because there are unique circumstances or
15 physical conditions to the property including
16 narrowness, shallowness, water, typography or
17 other similar physical conditions, and in
18 fact, this house is located on the lake, and
19 they can't build out toward the lake but they
20 can certainly build out back from the lake.
21 That is one of the conditions.
22 The need is not self-created, there
23 is strict compliance with regulations
24 governing the area setbacks, frontage,
25 height, bulk, density and other dimensional
1 requirements will unreasonably prevent the
2 property owner from using the property for
3 their permitted purpose.
4 The requested variance is the
5 minimum variance necessary to do substantial
6 justice to the applicant, as well as the
7 other property owners in the district. In
8 fact, two property owners have agreed with
9 the requested variance.
10 The requested variance will not
11 cause any adverse impact on surrounding
12 property, and will likely, in fact, enhance
13 the property values in the area as well as
14 property value of that particular home.
15 MS. KRIEGER: Second.
16 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
17 and a second, any further discussion?
18 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, can you
19 please call the roll.
20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon?
21 MR. GEDEON: Yes.
22 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gerblick?
23 MR. GERBLICK: Yes.
24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ghannam?
25 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Yes.
1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ibe?
2 MR. IBE: Yes.
3 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger?
4 MS. KRIEGER: Yes.
5 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi?
6 MR. SANGHVI: Yes.
7 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy?
8 MS. SKELCY: Yes.
9 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes seven
10 to zero.
11 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Congratulations.
12 Next on the agenda is Item Number
13 Four, Case Number 12-007, Wal-mart, 26090
14 Ingersol Drive.
15 Can you please state your name and
16 address, sir.
17 MR. CHASE: My name is David Chase.
18 My address is 16722 Hudson (ph) Circle,
19 Lakeville, Minnesota. I am here as a
20 representative for SAIC.
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Please raise
22 your hand and be sworn.
23 MS. SKELCY: Do you swear or affirm
24 to tell the truth?
25 MR. CHASE: I do.
1 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Please proceed,
3 MR. CHASE: I am here as a
4 representative for the architectural firm
5 that designed the Wal-mart store, SAIC.
6 They're out of St. Paul, Minnesota.
7 We have provided a board to give
8 the relative size and scale of the signage
9 that we are asking for a variance to indicate
10 how that would look on a larger size building
11 that we currently have under construction.
12 Our building is 468 feet long, and
13 as such, it provides the mass that would
14 support the signage that we are requesting to
15 have a variance to be provided for.
16 We feel that this signage is the
17 appropriate size for this sign of building
18 that's under construction.
19 The additional signage that we have
20 shown here, home, pharmacy, and the other --
21 garden center and so forth, that signage is,
22 in our view, is way fine signage as opposed
23 to marketing signage. Because again, of the
24 size, overall size of the building, we think
25 it's important for the customers to know
1 which portion of the store to go into, that
2 they're most interested in purchasing, what
3 they may be there for.
4 The only sign that is lit would be
5 the Wal-mart sign itself, the other way fine
6 signage is not proposed to be lighted
8 And the fourth point that we'd like
9 to make, is that the overall signage is a lot
10 less than would be the signage if it were
11 broken up into smaller individual stores, and
12 65 foot signage restriction was applied to
14 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anything else,
16 MR. CHASE: That's basically our
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Okay. Thank
19 you. Is there anybody in the public who
20 would like to make a comment on this case?
21 Seeing none, I will close our
22 public remarks section and ask our secretary
23 to read any correspondence.
24 MS. SKELCY: 75 notices were
25 mailed, 35 were returned, there were no
2 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any comments by
3 the City or issues?
4 MS. SAARELA: None.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I will open it
6 up to the Board for discussion.
7 MS. SKELCY: I have a question
8 about that -- the outdoor living sign. Is
9 that going to be on the side or is that going
10 to be on the front? The outdoor living.
11 MR. CHASE: The outdoor living sign
12 would be here (indicating). I'm not sure if
13 I need to be at the microphone.
14 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: If you can
15 explain it at the microphone, please.
16 MR. CHASE: Yes, the outdoor living
17 sign would be the -- as you're looking at the
18 front of the building on the far right-hand
20 MS. SKELCY: So it's not on the
21 side of the building?
22 MR. CHASE: No.
23 MS. SKELCY: Thank you.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anybody else
25 have any questions? Member Sanghvi?
1 MR. SANGHVI: Were you aware that
2 sometimes we like to see the mock-up signs
3 before approving the variances?
4 MR. CHASE: The signage is going to
5 be constructed of large letters. I'm not
6 sure how I would -- I'm not saying I
7 couldn't. I'm not thinking of how I would go
8 about preparing a mock-up for you. I'm sure
9 we could do a painted plywood sign, if that's
10 you're thinking of?
11 MR. SANGHVI: Any kind, so we know
12 where you are putting it up.
13 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: The building is
14 not constructed, it's not completed.
15 MR. CHASE: It's under construction
16 right now.
17 MR. SANGHVI: I would like to see
18 where you are likely to put them.
19 MR. CHASE: Okay.
20 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anything else,
21 Member Sanghvi?
22 MR. SANGHVI: No. I just wondered
23 whether you were aware of it or not.
24 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any other
25 questions or comments for the applicant?
1 Member Ibe?
2 MR. IBE: Sir, I'm just about
3 curious about you (inaudible) these signs,
4 several entrances. Is that something that
5 you do with all Wal-mart stores? I'm not
6 familiar -- I know Wal-mart, I've only been
7 to one Wal-mart in my whole life. I'm not
8 sure that's how all Wal-marts are, what they
9 look like, there are signs for every
11 MR. CHASE: Yes, it is, would be
12 the short answer. This store is a prototype,
13 150,000 square foot store. I think actually
14 in the documentation called it 149.
15 We have two entrances on that size
16 store. And we provide signage for, you know,
17 grocery and for pharmacy and that. This
18 store is unique. This is a further designed,
19 if you will, prototype. Typically the
20 signage would be there, but there is more
21 amenities in this store than the average
22 store. So it becomes a little more important
23 to help the customer find where they should
24 be going. Particularly, if you think in
25 terms of the pharmacy, they might be just
1 running in to pick up a prescription, or on
2 the other side, the groceries.
3 You know, if you're there for
4 groceries, you would want to go in that door
5 rather than the one where the general
6 merchandise is.
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Is that
8 consistent with your signs, the ones that are
9 closer to that particular entrance, that's
10 where those items are?
11 MR. CHASE: Yes.
12 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Just in terms of
13 my own comments, I mean, you are asking for a
14 large variance. By the way, does that large
15 variance, the one from the size of 233
16 square feet, does that only apply to the main
17 sign, the Wal-mart, or is that an
18 accumulation of all five?
19 MS. SAARELA: I believe that's for
20 the main sign.
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: That's just for
22 the main sign.
23 MR. CHASE: Excuse me. If you can
24 look at the poster here, the Wal-mart sign
25 with the spark on it, is the 298 square feet,
1 the outdoor living sign is 49.43, home and
2 pharmacy is 35.13, recycle sign is 6.1, and
3 the market sign is 10.13.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Okay. We only
5 got an identification of one of the signs,
6 and how -- what the variance was. But it
7 seems the other signs are within the 65 feet,
8 but it's just the number of signs that you
9 are requesting, I guess.
10 Is that size of the Wal-mart with
11 the mark next to it, is that the standard
12 size that Wal-mart uses throughout its stores
13 or is this larger or smaller or do you know?
14 MR. CHASE: That I would be -- I
15 don't know for sure, to be honest. That sign
16 is, I'm going to say, thought about to a
17 large degree in terms of this particular
18 store, we certainly kept it smaller because
19 we knew the signage variance would be an
20 issue. So I don't have the numbers to relate
21 whether other stores, and the 150 prototype
22 is one of the larger. There is only a couple
23 of larger prototypes.
24 But it was thought about in terms
25 of the scale, and as you can see, it isn't an
1 overwhelming sign on that large of a
3 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: And I understand
4 Wal-mart is a huge store. I mean, there is
5 no question about it. This is a large retail
6 store, certainly a 65 square foot sign on
7 that type of building, you know, if the logo
8 were to be unusually small, it would be
9 dwarfed by that building. So I don't think
10 there is any question you need a large sign.
11 The question becomes one of reasonableness.
12 I'll ask you what I asked the other
13 applicant, is there any minimum that you
14 would like to have as opposed to 298 square
15 feet? Is there any less of a variance that
16 you would suggest, if we wouldn't grant that?
17 MR. CHASE: I was not offered a
18 substitute, smaller variance. I was asked to
19 present on what we have here.
20 Does that mean that they would not
21 accept anything smaller? I would not go that
22 far to say. I'm going to say that they would
23 consider something smaller, but there again,
24 it becomes a matter of proportion and how far
25 do we go with it.
1 I think that what we'd like to do
2 is if we are going to offer something is,
3 take that elevation and try different sizes
4 on it and kind of see how it looks.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I mean, four
6 additional signs, especially the way you have
7 identified it in these photographs and your
8 documents to me, I have no problem with,
9 number one, reasonable size. Number two, I
10 think on a retailer this large you have to
11 have some kind of direction because it's
12 obnoxious if you are going to one area, and
13 you need to be on the other side. I mean, I
14 think parking-wise for people, flow of
15 traffic, in and out, you want to park near
16 where you want to enter. So I have no
17 problem with that.
18 I'm more concerned about close to a
19 300 square foot sign in the middle under the
20 circumstances. That's all.
21 That's one question. Were you the
22 one who designs these particular signs or are
23 there consultants on the sign itself?
24 MR. CHASE: Wal-mart has their
25 consulting people, but I think you probably
1 have met Jackie Cook Haxby. She was here
2 when the entitlement initially was presented.
3 I'm not sure who she present to,
4 but she would have been here, but had a
5 conflict in her schedule. I'm actually on
6 the construction administration side of
7 things. I'm here for an on-site inspection
8 tomorrow at the project, so I'm kind of
9 filling in for the project architect.
10 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: I understand. I
11 understand. Those are my comments in terms
12 of this.
13 Member Krieger, then I'll take
14 Member Sanghvi.
15 MS. KRIEGER: Are there any,
16 historically in Novi where they have accepted
17 signs before the building was in place?
18 MR. GERECKE: Off the top of my
19 head, I don't know that for sure. I'm
20 positive in the past we have done it, yes.
21 MS. KRIEGER: And then the other --
22 I had another question, which if I can
23 remember my train of thought.
24 The power gym that we approved, the
25 square footage in comparison, the picture
1 that we approved, was that near almost 300
2 square feet?
3 MS. SKELCY: I think that was Golds
5 MS. KRIEGER: The gym, yes.
6 MR. GERECKE: I would have to
7 verify that. I'm not positive.
8 MS. KRIEGER: I'm thinking
9 proportionally, that if -- yes, that they do
10 need something that's proportionally correct,
11 but then I agree that that size is rather
12 big. And that the comparison to other
13 shopping centers, it is nice to have
14 directional signs. However, there are other
15 stores where I guess you just learn where
16 they're at, and then know, so I feel divided
17 about that right now. Those are my comments
18 so far.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Sanghvi?
20 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you. Just one
21 question for you, sir. The bottom picture
22 here, that you are showing, is it to scale?
23 MR. CHASE: Yes, it is.
24 MR. SANGHVI: So the Wal-mart sign
25 on that is to scale to the size of the
2 MR. CHASE: Yes, it is.
3 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you. I have no
4 problem with that kind of proportion. Look
5 at the size of the front. Oh, my God, it's
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: It is an
8 enormous sign, but when you look at the
9 photograph, it's relevant, it is
11 MR. CHASE: I should probably
12 mention on the typical Wal-mart store, we
13 don't have brick behind the sign. It is a
14 phanelick (ph) paneling and it's a brown,
15 dark brown and a lighter brown color, with
16 darker on the ends, and in the background for
17 the sign. So that whole panel stands out as
18 a brand of sign for Wal-mart. Quite a bit
19 different than your situation where we have
20 the brick background for the sign.
21 I think as you -- if you would see
22 it, as it got a little smaller, it would
23 start to disappear. However, that's what we
24 were always concerned about in our
25 discussions in our office.
1 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Skelcy?
2 MS. SKELCY: Is this the largest
3 Wal-mart that Wal-mart makes?
4 MR. CHASE: No. I know there is a
5 prototype at 180,000 square feet. I
6 understand that they have built five or six
7 stores over 200,000 square feet also, but
8 those are not the more popular ones.
9 Right now we have some going in
10 at -- I have got two projects under
11 construction that are at 90,000 square feet,
12 got a couple coming up at 120, and then there
13 is two more at 150.
14 MS. SKELCY: Okay, thank you.
15 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Krieger?
16 MS. KRIEGER: Follow-up question.
17 Offhand, do you know the Wal-mart on Haggerty
18 and Pontiac Trail, and the one on Milford
19 Road and the expressway, what their sizes
21 MR. CHASE: I'm sorry, I do not.
22 MS. KRIEGER: The proportion of the
23 building would be similar?
24 MR. CHASE: The sign relative to
25 the building, is that what you are talking
1 about? I don't know how big the stores are,
2 and more than likely, in a popular area like
3 this, they're in the same size range as this
4 one. But I'm not familiar with those stores
5 at all.
6 MS. KRIEGER: Thank you.
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Anymore
8 questions or comments? Member Gerblick?
9 MR. GERBLICK: Based on the
10 Wal-marts I have seen in the area, I think
11 most of them have signs that are slightly
12 larger than that, based on that mock-up
13 there. Just speaking from the one in
14 Milford, driving out 96, as you get to
15 Fowlerville, there is one that is right off
16 the highway there. Just wanted to comment on
18 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any other
19 comments or questions?
20 If there are none, I will entertain
21 a motion. You can take these separately, if
22 you want to do the proposed main signs, the
23 proposed numbers of additional signs or take
24 it all together.
25 MR. SANGHVI: Two separate motions?
1 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: You can take all
2 at once, or move to deny or can do it both at
3 the same time. You want to you try? Member
5 MR. SANGHVI: I'd like to make a
6 motion for Case Number 12-007, 26090 Ingersol
7 Drive, that we approve the request for the
8 main sign, where the proposed sign area is
9 298 square feet, with a variance of 233
10 square feet.
11 And also approve the additional
12 signs for identification, but of the
13 different area of the store, for different
14 shopping purposes.
15 The request is based upon
16 circumstances and features that are
17 exceptional and unique to this particular
18 property and store, and do not result from
19 conditions that exist generally in the City
20 of Novi.
21 And the failure to grant relief
22 will unnecessarily provide all uses of
23 property and will unreasonably prevent or
24 limit the use of the property and will result
25 in substantially more than mere inconvenience
1 or inability to attain a higher economic or
2 financial return.
3 The grant of relief will not result
4 in a use of structure that is incompatible
5 with or unreasonably interferes with adjacent
6 or surrounding properties, and will result in
7 substantial justice being done to both the
8 applicant and adjacent or surrounding
9 properties, and is not inconsistent with the
10 spirit of the ordinance. Thank you.
11 MS. SKELCY: Second.
12 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
13 and a second, any further discussion?
14 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, can you
15 please call the roll.
16 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon?
17 MR. GEDEON: No.
18 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gerblick?
19 MR. GERBLICK: Yes.
20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ghannam?
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Yes.
22 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ibe?
23 MR. IBE: Yes.
24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger?
25 MS. KRIEGER: No.
1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi?
2 MR. SANGHVI: Yes.
3 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy?
4 MS. SKELCY: Yes.
5 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes five
6 to two.
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Congratulations,
9 MR. CHASE: Thank you very much.
10 It's greatly appreciated.
11 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Next on the
12 agenda is other matters.
13 Are there any other matters that
14 need to be addressed at this time? Anybody?
15 Then next would be the election of
16 officers. Does it matter what order we take
18 MS. SAARELA: It does not.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Then we need to
20 vote for secretary, vice chair and chair, is
21 that correct?
22 MS. SAARELA: Yes.
23 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: How about we
24 take secretary. First what we usually do is
25 take nominations. Member Sanghvi?
1 MR. SANGHVI: Mr. Chair, may I
2 propose the name of Linda Kriger for
4 MR. IBE: Second.
5 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: You accept that
6 nomination, Ms. Krieger?
7 MS. KRIEGER: Sure.
8 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any other
9 nominations for secretary?
10 If there are none, I'll close the
11 nomination section of secretary and do we
12 need to actually take a vote, if there are no
13 other nominations?
14 MS. SAARELA: You could just take a
15 voice vote.
16 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Then all in
17 favor of Ms. Krieger, or Member Krieger being
18 our secretary for the next period of time, I
19 believe a year, all in favor say aye.
20 THE BOARD: Aye.
21 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any opposed?
22 Seeing none, congratulations, Member Krieger
23 on being our secretary next session.
24 Next would be the vice chair. Are
25 there any nominations for vice chair?
1 MR. SANGHVI: I nominate Ms. Skelcy
2 for vice chair.
3 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: We have a second
4 to that?
5 MR. IBE: Second.
6 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
7 and a second, any other -- do you accept that
8 nomination, Member Skelcy?
9 MS. SKELCY: Yes.
10 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Are there any
11 other nominations for vice chair for our next
13 Seeing none, I will close that
14 section of our nominations and take a voice
16 All in favor of Member Skelcy being
17 the next vice chair. All in favor say aye.
18 THE BOARD: Aye.
19 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any opposed?
20 Seeing none, Member Skelcy is the vice chair.
21 Lastly, but not least, I'm looking
22 for a nomination for the next chairman. I'm
23 going to defer to our dean of Zoning Board of
24 Appeals, Member Sanghvi for that nomination.
25 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you, Mr. Chair,
1 I don't know whether I want to be dean.
2 May I see suggest Mr. Ibe's name as
3 the chairman.
4 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Is there a
6 MS. SKELCY: Second.
7 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
8 and a second, Member Ibe, do you accept that
10 MR. IBE: Yes.
11 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any other
12 nominations for chairperson for the next
13 session of the Zoning Board?
14 Seeing none, I will close that
15 section -- or that nomination and ask for a
16 voice vote.
17 All in favor of Member Ibe being
18 our next chairperson, all in favor say aye.
19 THE BOARD: Aye.
20 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any opposed?
21 Seeing none, Member Ibe is our next chairman.
22 Congratulations to all three of
24 Anything else for the election of
1 MS. SAARELA: No.
2 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Member Sanghvi?
3 MR. SANGHVI: May I take this
4 opportunity to thank you for an excellent job
5 you have done the during the past year. We
6 really appreciate your service.
8 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: My pleasure.
9 Seeing no other matters, I'll entertain a
10 motion to adjourn.
11 MR. SANGHVI: So moved.
12 MR. IBE: Second.
13 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Seeing a motion
14 and second, all in favor say aye.
15 THE BOARD: Aye.
16 CHAIRMAN GHANNAM: Any opposed?
17 Seeing none, we are adjourned.
18 (The meeting was adjourned at 7:53 p.m.)
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